What’s the best way to get the attention of a music industry executive when sending in a demo?
Just picture their usual response – a cursory glance at a web page or a CD tossed in the bin without being listened to. I can’t begin to tell you how many thousands of demos I’ve not listened to – and I’m confident that I have never missed a great demo in doing so.
If you’ve sent us a demo or a MySpace link in the last few months, you may well be reading this post. That’s because we have pointed all people approaching us in our usual job as artists managers to this blog as a shorthand way of telling them some of the basic, but often hidden, information that we think all aspiring artists need to know. If you haven’t already, you should sign up for and download our free guide in the sidebar on the right. It’s really very good and will speed your journey to fame and fortune immeasurably! No, really it will.
It was only when I started writing the blog posts for here that I realised that one of the things that we get asked all the time is whether it’s OK to send us a demo, how should we send it in, who to, is a web link OK, and all possible variations on that theme.
So, not only does that question need answering, but unique amongst Internet Music Marketing folk, I can answer it from the perspective of the submitter and the receiver of the demo!
Is it OK to send a demo? Well, yes of course, and you should be pitching your demos to as many people as possible. But, the failing that we most often see is that what we are sent just isn’t good enough. The two main flaws are that, firstly, it simply isn’t good enough in terms of songwriting and performance. The recording quality shouldn’t matter too much if the material is good enough, but everyone in this industry does suffer from not hearing past the production to a degree, even if they deny it. So whilst it’s not a killer, try to make the production good too.
Secondly, it’s always too soon. Again, almost without exception, we get sent demos or MySpace links to material and a band that haven’t been playing together long, have recorded a hasty demo and don’t really know themselves yet what they are aiming for. The main symptoms include the aforementioned poor quality songs, appalling photographs (see our MySpace guide for what to avoid!) and a general lack of focus. A band that have been playing together for less than a year or so are unlikely to have worked out a world beating line-up, a catalogue of quality songs, a blistering live show and some sense of where they fit in the pantheon of rock and pop. These are the things you need to succeed and it’s what we and all of our ilk are looking for.
So, assuming you’ve got that stuff straight, how should you approach a manager, an A&R man, an investor (just as likely these days), or anyone who can raise your career a notch or two?
Well the most important thing is to do your research and make sure that the person you’re sending something to will receive it and have some kind of affiliation to your genre. That means, in short, there is no point sending your Rap demo to a Metal manager. Obvious, but so rarely followed.
I, and my kind, don’t want to see an email that doesn’t address me by name and that I know has been sent to 100 or so people at once. I want to see that you know who I am and what I do, who my clients are etc. If I can tell that you have bothered to find out why we might be able to help you (you are similar to a band we rep, or something), then I am immediately more likely to listen. This is going to hold true for all people that you approach. So, use a name to address the mail or letter, and start off with a reference to what makes us interesting to you – not ‘we like your roster ‘ but something like ‘we loved what you did with Nine MM Slayer X and how you broke them through MTV’ ….’and we think you might be able to use similar tactics to help us out’. It not only shows me that you’ve done your homework but also that you’re thinking about how to win the game.
Next, send me something that tells me all I need to know. And, as I have already had to defend on the blog, I need to know what you look like as well as how you sound. I’m not going to dismiss you out of hand if you look like the back end of a bus, but I need to know so that I can balance all the factors. Please, please, please have photographs that aren’t laughable.
Let us hear the best song first – ask your mates what that is and tell them to be honest. And then ask a few people in your age and peer group that you don’t know – test it at random on people in the mall to get an honest feel.
Although I want to know how many friends and plays you have on MySpace, I also want to know where you play, how often and what kind of crowd you get. Virtual numbers can be manipulated, which I’m all for, but real world numbers need to be real.
Something that people don’t often think about, seeing as most now email a link, is when to send the email. Over a holiday or at the weekend is just dumb. My inbox and everyone like me, is so full on Monday morning that I reckon you have halved your odds before you start. For me, make it Tuesday early afternoon. I’ve just got to grips with the week and I’m predisposed to hearing something new.
I’d also recommend reaching out when there is good news to report. You’ve got a self financed single coming out, or you’ve made it to the last three of a local Battle of the Bands contest. These days, I’ll also be impressed if you have a track being used on a commercial or in a TV show, or if your weekly podcast is getting 5000 listeners.
At the very least, I’ll be hoping that you’ve contacted me when you have three or more shows lined up within a fortnight that you know are accessible for me. That way, I have a real chance of coming to see you before I forget about you. Don’t ever send someone an email if you are a live band when you don’t have shows coming up – that’s just stupid.
Lastly, and this is the killer, can you get someone who knows your target person to pitch it for you? This is the harsh reality. The reason that I am fairly sure I never missed a diamond in a demo pile is that 99.99% of the things that hit are picked up by a recommendation. Managers, promoters and A&R men are to some extent filters of what is good and bad and one of them can filter out acts that will never make it so that only the half decent ones even get in front of people who have decision making power.
You need to get your stuff in front of one of these people at some point, so you need to cultivate relationships with people who can help you do that – all of the above applies to getting even those people to listen and help – it’s like a vicious circle in reverse – in fact it’s a vicious funnel!
But, when someone they trust recommends that the people in power listen to your demo and that person’s view has some weight, then you are getting somewhere. Whose opinions count? – venue owners, small-time promoters, local indie record shop owners, music store owners, bloggers, anyone at the front end of the music business.
Go and find them, polish your act and make your pitch!
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This is not on topic but I have no idea where to start. My wife and I are starting our own business and need to speak the record labels. Our problem is not one that we need to be discovered but one of a legal hurdle.
Is this possible and where do we start?
Thanks you in advance Micheal.
Micheal
Email me at ian [@] makeitinmusic.com and explain what help you need. I’m sure I’ll be able to help.
Ian
I’ve been looking for a resource much like your blog for awhile now. I’m a aspiring muscian and I cannot get enough information on anything band oriented. I added you to my Rss.
What I need is not on topic but I have no idea what to. I sing but I’m not a songwriter, I just write lyrics but I don’t know how to put melodies to them.
Is it possible to get signed if you are not a songwriter, won’t the record label have any songwriters who can help me?
Krista
Krista
It is perfectly possible to make it without being a songwriter.
Most pop artists signed to major labels can’t write, or certainly not on their own. There is a whole part of the industry that is dedicated to hooking up singers / artists with writers and producers. The easiest access to these people is through a record label or manager but that’s a little chicken and egg as you usually need songs and demos to get these people interested.
You can go and find these songwriters and producers yourself.
Search on Google for them – look for songwriter workshops. Call local studios and ask them if they know anyone – they may well. Look in the studio gear magazines – in the UK ‘Sound on Sound’, US it’s several such as ‘Electronic Musician’. People looking to help singers often run classifieds in there.
Then get on MySpace and look for collaborators and try Gumtree, Craig’s List, Facebook etc.
You can even try getting an industry trade directory and calling pubishers (the companies that songwriters sign to – the ying to the record label yang) and tell them you’re looking for collaborators. And look for management companies that manage them as well.
Hope that helps.
Ian
Well i hope not,because if u bother your self asking them that question,they wont even bother giving a contract to sign u in,all they do is just listen 2 ur demo and lyrics..if u ever ask them for a favour,ah u blowing ur self out..buy the way invyt me on facebook i’ll tell u what u dnt knw…heres my email “frank@yahoo.com” or “frankie@yahoo.com”. Bye
Im a singer and I have written songs with melodies, I have a demo of four contrasting styles of music which are very well produced. I would like to get signed but I’m not sure how you go about this given that its been difficult to find musicians who you can get to play with. I dont want to post music on myspace unless i actually have gigs to post up and invite others along to.
I would like collaberators as well as players. Does anyone know where you can find these a little easier?
Carrie
Carrie
We’ll look at this in detail as soon as possible on the site. Make sure that you’re signed up to our mailing list so that you can be alerted whwn we do that post.
In short, I would be making every effort to get more songs written and I would build a website and a myspace page asap. It will help you to come to the attention of record companies….eventually, but also collaborators and band members will see that you’re serious.
Plus, your site is your most important tool in building a following and awareness.
Where to find collaborators – local scene, online ads – Craig’s List, Gumtree – rehearsal rooms, recording studios, Production magazines, music production forums – a host of places.
Hope that helps.
Ian
I’m a latin rapper I had a international distribuition deal out of mexico and I had tour there a few times. I had sold over ten thousand Cds but I haven’t been able to land a record deal yet I want to know if there is something am doing wrong or can u get me a tip on what todo next I even went to the Bill board conference this year and gave away my new stuff.
Hi
I think your best course of action is to take that success and build iyt online to the point where the record companies come to you.
If you’ve sold 10,000 albums you have to be getting the music right. Connect directly with those fans and collect their email address to build a fan list. The more you do that the more obvious you’ll become to a record company.
Read this post and do the steps at the bottom – http://makeitinmusic.com/how-to-build-your-fanbase
Ian
I am someone who is in an awkward position nowadays, in that I write classical music, and would love to record with an orchstra. How do I approach someone with this in mind (I’m a shotty performer, but write very well)?
John
Sorry it’s taken a while – I took a proper Xmas break!
There’s no simple answer to this one, but I’d start with finding non-professional orchestras – youth, school or community ones, try Google – and see how you can network with them.
Recording shouldn’t be a problem – provided you can write out the score for orchestral parts, which I assume you can if you write the piece?? – any reasonable local studio ought to be able to handle the recording as long as space isn’t an issue. Cost – UK£200 per day upwards depending on where and studio standard.
As for approaching them, I’d be well armed with the piece you’ve written ready scored and the make-up of the orchestra and the parts all ready to go. And just find as many possibilities as you can. Ask them if you can send them your piece first and then talk about the recording later.
One other option is to find foreign orchestras and use them and local recording facilities. I once recorded the full Budapest Film Orchestra in a very cheap studio in Budapest for about 1/10th of what it would’ve cost to do it here. There are countless great smaller orchestras in parts of Eastern Europe and some really good ones in India.
How about raising the money to record by using fan funding at Kickstarter.com or pledgemusic.com? Then you can afford to go to Eastern Europe to record. If you study our site (see these posts on the Dailies site – http://makeitinmusic.posterous.com/?sort=&search=fan+funding&x=0&y=0) and others on fan funding I think it would be pretty viable to raise £2500 to record an album’s worth of material with a full orchestra and release it on DVD and as a digital download.
I’m excited to see you do it!
Best of luck and let me know if this helps.
Hello,
Ive been writing music for years now and i am now ready to let it be heard. I am a singer songwriter, my demo will only be vocals and guitar. Ive played many acoustic shows and have a following by word of mouth.
Whats the best way to approach my situtation? create a website? record an acoustic demo and pitch to record lables before a website? -giving the label a chance to be the first glance at all my material… or should i start putting myself all over the internet? Copyright my demo before anything right? i want to approach this in a unique manner… help please. Thanks a bunch!
-Griz
Do you have any material online anywhere that I can hear? MySpace, SoundCloud, Facebook?
Unless it is a guaranteed ‘home run’, I would advise focusing on building your online and offline fanbase until there is a genuine buzz about you and your music. Online, that means your own site and some kind of email list building so that you can regularly contact your fans. Giving away something in return for the email is the usual trade.
MySpace is less important than ever but I would have a simple page there with music and a bio and upcoming dates, but Facebook is now essential. See our forthcoming posts on best practice.
You could approach labels but generally, without any real world buzz and material that isn’t shouting ‘I’m the new GagGa’, your likely to get no response at all and have blown your first shot.
Read this awesome presentation from Topspin. It is a brilliant plan to build your following – http://www.topspinmedia.com/2011/02/getting-practical-a-step-by-step-guide-to-building-an-online-marketing-plan-that-works-ians-presentation-from-new-music-seminar-los-angeles-february-2011
Thanks for this.
This is half of what I want. My problem is; I am an artist (afro Pop), I have researched and found music managers I will like to work with But I don’t know how to send them emails, demo’s and what to include in my email. as said ‘first impression matters’, I don’t what to make the mistake to send them wrong emails which will be a turn off for me. Can you please advice me on How to contact Music Managers that I want to work with, step by step how to write them emails and send demo’s, what should I include in the emails to avoid turn down and emailing or calling them through phone which should be my first step of contact.
Thanks. I will be grateful if you could help.
Holy
Hi Holy
The best thing you can do is to have GREAT material and have some kind of a following and fanbase offline and online. Then, a manager will find you.
As you build that (by following our advice on the site), make a concerted plan of who to target. I think you’re in the UK, so get the Unsigned Guide which lists all the management companies. Research them so that you know who they look after and that they deal with a similar genre of music. Some do all kinds, some don’t. Get names. It isn’t enough to blanket email people. Each approach needs to be targeted with a reason as to why the person might like you and your material and why you are asking them to check it out.
The best approach is to send a link to a site page where you have set up a player with two or three of your best tracks plus some images, maybe video and press. If they like what is there, they can look around the rest of your site for more info. Having a good functional site makes people think that you are serious about your career.
Never email large mp3 files – it just pisses people off.
Calling before you send the link is a great idea. Get hold of the right person, ask to send your link and then follow up.
The truth is that if your material is good enough and you approach people professionally you will find someone to take you on.
Hi Ian!
Thanks for some great advice!
I’m the lead singer for a fairly new Rock band called EarlyRise and we recently self released our debut album.
So far we’re getting great feedback and our fan base is growing pretty fast considering we’re an independent band, so of course we decided to take a long shot and send out some copies of our album to a few record labels. I was looking for some information and tips on what is the best way to approach them when I came across your article and I must say it really helped and pointed me in the right direction. Hope it works!
Also, I’d love for you to give us a listen and let us know what you think (:
http://www.facebook.com/EarlyRise
Thanks again!
Orly
Orly – I’ll check it out.
Ian
Thanks! Looking forward to hearing from you (:
Yep, you seem to be doing a lot of stuff right. Appealing to your genre and building a fanbase. Build your mailing list!
Hi, Thank You For The Advice , Im Really Taking It Into Condsideration , Could You Check Me Out via Youtube and let me know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/ofiicialtimt i would really appreciate it!!!!
Tim
The Rap game is the toughest game in town – everyone thinks that they can rhyme over a beat and that’s it.
Your stuff sounds OK to me but I’m not an expert in it.
Mixtapes, getting blogs to write about you and building your own fanbase from your own site is still the way to build momentum as we talk about on the site – no matter what type of music you make.
All the best with your music.
Ian
Hello Ian!
Thanks for the blog advice. Your Ebook is very informative as well. I am representing my husband until we find a quality Manager that will be able to lead him in the right direction. Please take a look at the website and give me your best advice!! I definitely welcome it!!
http://www.orchestratedent.com
The Youtube video “Perfect Strangers” and pics are available. As well as clippets of songs he has produced in the past.
Thanks in advance!!
Brandy
http://www.facebook.com/theartistvegas
Hey Ian I have a question for you. I am a entrepreneur, I am starting a clothing company and I am making connections with music video productions and and with individual rap artist but I trying to approach a music label like young money. Im wondering how to get the phone numbers to even the front desk of any of the rap labels
Hi Dane
There are several directories that you can get hold of that list music companies – the best one for you is probably the Billboard directory – http://www1.billboard.biz/bbbiz/directories/index.jsp
Other than that, it’s all about hustling – look at who the people you are after follow on Twitter. Generally they only follow a few and some of those will be friends / colleagues at the label. You can often get to them that way. Or try calling up somewhere that you can get a number for – maybe a main label like Universal – and use a story to get the number you need. e.g. – you have a package that you just sent to the wrong address and you need it to get there for a studio session or something – if you’re a good ‘blagger’ as we call it in the UK, you may well extract the number that you’re after from the receptionist there.
Basically, buy a directory, and chase them down. You can reach any of these companies if you try hard enough – whether you’ll get to the right person and get a reply is a different question though!
That’s all about giving them a great pitch on what you have to offer. Remember that they get free clothes all day long so work out what you can do that is different that makes them realise the ‘what’s in it for me’ answer. They won’t promote your clothes for you unless there is something in it for them that they aren’t already getting from someone else!
Hey Ian,
I really appreciate this article. I’m the singer in a Proggressive Rock/Metal band and we’re looking to get signed (who isn’t?), but really had no idea where to start. This answered a lot of questions I had and gave me quite a few ideas on how to approach our current problem: getting noticed.
Would it be okay if I e-mailed you a couple of our songs to check out? You mentioned bloggers in your list of “whose opinion counts’ and I’d like to hear what you think…
Much appreciated sir,
Ashton
Ashton – you can by all means send us a link to a few songs and I’ll do my best to give you an honest account and opinion.
Ian
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